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Out of every dollar you make what are You comfortable being taxed on like Being taken away it depends what I get For that can I give an example sure okay My willingness to be taxed would be Greater if for example my or my Daughter's college education were paid For by those taxes so in a vacuum it's Really hard to answer that question Because it depends what we get okay so Let me ask let me let me continue with The instructions please so uh who do you Think makes better decision for your Daughter you or the government what Kinds of decisions School School what what kind like college if You if you pay me I'm the government but I'll choose which school she can go to Versus you don't pay me the government You take that responsibility and you get To choose to send your daughter to what School she wants to go to what do you Mean the government chooses but I'm Giving you those those options so Meaning the government says these are The schools that will pay the tuition For okay you're talking college and University I'm talking College okay okay Yeah so I'm assuming that's what you're Talking about you're talking about School I didn't I didn't know which Direction you were going yeah but but so So okay so but go back to when I asked You the question I asked the question I
Said so what percentage of your Dollar are you willing to be taxed on Yeah not taxed on just taxed Um and you said it depends on what Happens with uh what I'm paying for Right kind of what you said okay so do You think Um I mean is that is that logical do you Agree with that at least in principle do You well well I think I think you have a Good brain And a good mind to make better decisions On what to do with your money than the Government can no but as before we go Into the specific education yeah because I'm trying to find points of agreement Here because I actually don't think We're really that far apart on a lot of These issues are you of the mindset that Just hypothetically are you okay paying More in taxes if the taxes include fire Police roads bridges are you generally Just have you have you ever lent anybody Money yes but you're not answering my Question but I'm gonna answer too this Is my way of answering you have your way Of answering I'm gonna answer you the Way I'm answering so have you ever uh uh Lent Um the same person have you ever lent Money to somebody a good amount and they Never paid you back fortunately not okay Yeah cool well guess what yeah
I feel the same way you do about giving Money to the government because they Haven't had a good track record of doing Right things with my money no it sounds Like you're saying the opposite nothing I have not had an experience well but You're wiser good for you have you Haven't had that experience because it Sucks but here's the part uh have you Ever lent your car to somebody and it Didn't work out for you no never Happened to you no I have leases and I Just tell them listen I'm the only Person who can drive I don't even know If that's true my insurance ever have Allowed somebody to borrow anything from You yeah have you yes okay give me an Idea something anything something like That they broke or something like that Whatever you you lend somebody oh I'm Trying to remember and people don't Really ask me for stuff very often like This is a serious question here man like The world is relying on you giving the Right answer what have I I mean maybe When I was like 14 I lent somebody a Discman and they did are you a video Game guy are you a gamer not really So what do you do for fun bike read Travel you ever lent a bike to somebody God no So you you're you're you may not Be no I've left the bike no I've learned The bike okay so have you ever lent a Bike to somebody yes and they jacked it
Up no you've never had that happen now Then you're living in a freaking Utopia That's why you don't understand economy Yet maybe I have undergraduated Graduates but that's concerning as well I mean that probably means I know less And never mind well no not necessarily That just means you programmed it's a Different story to think in one way Because that disagree with you but that Part is true a lot of it would currently Programmed and then deprogrammed well You got when you got 13 to one that's a True Monopoly of professors on the left To the right that's a pure Monopoly but Let me go back to the question what I'm Asking you asked me the question are you Comfortable you know as long as what They do with the money that wasn't my Question what was your question my Question was as a general principle yeah Are you okay paying a little more if you Get more same question for Amaya is this The same thing uh here's why the answer Is no Okay the reason why the answer is Not love your sarcasm the reason why the Answer is no is because if I give Somebody a relative a thousand bucks Okay it's the last thousand dollars Gonna give me I'm telling you bro I'm Going to pay you back 1500 bucks in two Years yeah never get it back okay two Years later you come back to me hey this Time give me five thousand but I promise
You I'm gonna fix I'm gonna give it back 10 grand yeah okay no here you go two Years later he comes back up dude this Time I'm asking for 10 but I'm changed Right I'm good bro trust me give me the Money I'm gonna fix it If you give it the third time you're an Idiot in my eyes we keep giving money to People with zero accountability and we Just keep saying here he goes what are You talking about 1.9 trillion dollars But you know for what programs any Programs any programs that were given Money to that there's no accountability For which is being wasted any one of Them but they wanted military include Any of the entitlement programs that we Have like include welfare include food Stamps include any one of them we can Pull it up and I'll tell you right now Any one of them what I don't understand Is What do you mean by there's no Accountability can I give an example Please because I think what you're Trying to say is that you don't know Where I'm going with this is an issue Well because so so what you're saying is You know exactly what happens with the Money when you give it to when you pay Taxes no I just don't understand what You're talking about you really don't Know what I'm talking about let me give You something can I just give one
Example and then we can open this up and You guys can have fun doing what you're Doing what I think you are saying is Fool me once shame on you fool me twice Shame on me and I think what Patrick is Alluding to is the fact that we are now At 30 trillion dollars in debt okay and The fact that we keep want to pile keep Piling on this issue of like I get it we All need military we need the police we Need the firemen we need all these Social systems we need a social safety Now we need welfare we need Medicaid we Need Medicare I think what his point is Is like at what point is enough enough Now we want to pile more stuff into our Storage unit that has already filled to The brim and we need to keep piling and Filing and piling more and at one point Is he saying can we stop funding the Government this way because it's not It's not a good look for us because We're at 31 32 35 trillion and what he's Saying I think is like we're gonna have To make some cuts and make some Adjustments okay and you're saying let's Double down let's let's let's keep Adding some of this I didn't say that no I'm just I'm like you want to add more Systems you said I I think you said I Want one or two more no but wait a Minute you really didn't understand what I just said did he not understand it I'm Asking you did I want to get to just a
Very specific example of a specific Program that you're displeased with Buddy anything so you're against all Government programs I didn't tell you All government programs so which ones Are you against if you if you if you Give money into programs that you're Coming out saying hey we're going to Spend 88 million dollars for this okay If you want me to pull it up and we can Go through expenses and tell you which Ones works and which one doesn't we can Do that as well if that's what you want To do uh but if you constantly come to Me for more money Let me just put it to you this way yeah What does it mean when a company or an Individual is in debt two hundred Thousand dollars when a company or when An individual okay let's just say I'm in The 200 000 okay And it was a hundred thousand dollars Five years ago okay It was fifty thousand dollars ten years Ago yeah it was ten thousand hours Fifteen years ago I come to you for Another fifty thousand dollars should You lend it to me probably not no what Are we doing What are we doing we're left it sounds Like you're analysis but we're lending Our taxpayer money and we keep getting Getting into more and more and more and More in debt if the government was an
Individual or a corporation I don't understand why investors keep Giving this government more money when They have no cash the critical answer is The government and countries are not Like households or companies that's the Difference it's just it's not an energy That's not true not analogous that's not True that's not true though so meaning It's okay for us to keep going into debt That's okay that's that's not what I'm Saying so what is different important to Have a balanced view that when it comes To and what's crazy about this is I'm Not advocating for getting more and more Into debt right Trump did a great job of It blowing up the deficit the deficit we Still have a positive deficit it's Slightly lessons Generally speaking increases but first Make the argument on how different it is To to give the analogy yes of personal Household that it's okay for the Government to increase its debt but not On the personal side It's okay it's not it's not the same and What I'm struggling with Patrick is that Like everything I'm saying is just being Relayed to me usually interrupting me Incorrectly so now I'm having to clean Up what you think I said to then answer The original thing my point is so those Three are different things they are Different explain why they are different
Things explain with a household or Corporate Budget or debt you at some point at the End of the day don't have any more Recourse to carry the debt and you Either have to declare bankruptcy or you Have to all the things that you you you Know with a country of course if the Economic growth becomes decoupled from The growth in the national debt that is A problem we've seen it in many many Countries but in the United States and Again I'm not saying who cares about the Dead or the deficit but I think we have To appreciate that there's a difference If your economy keeps growing if that National debt grows more or less in Parallel with the growth of the economy Yeah and it continues to be backed you Don't get to that day where there is the You're now being evicted crisis that an Individual has that doesn't mean I want To let me say this one more time I'm not Saying the debt doesn't matter there are People who say it literally I'm not Saying here's the question okay so but Let me let me kind of try to give the Point of uh uh the example I want to Give to you yeah so what is a sign when An institution keeps increasing its debt What sign is there so if I keep getting Fatter Is it because I'm a big bone person or It's because I may have a bad diet and
Not exercising what do you think uh I Guess I forgot you personally I guess I'd have To ask your doctor if you you're a small Uh bone guy you don't seem like you're You were big when you were have you ever Been 200 pounds no okay now so if you All of a sudden next time you come on The podcast you're 250 pounds you should Be concerned so can you accidentally Become 250 pounds uh accident it would Be a number of accidents in a row Exactly which by the way you probably Enjoyed your dinner you probably enjoyed Your food right but if you came back 250 Pounds yeah as a friend or even somebody That's in the similar space that we're Creating content right should I off Camera say hey bro what's up I would Appreciate it if you do okay I should do Your father you got a kid I'd like you To be around for your daughter Statistically or better society when we Are right okay so if you Come to me and I'm smelling bad I'm not Shaving I love it I have nothing and I'm Getting worse week after week after week Should you question and say Pat is Everything okay I think so yeah I think It's a good idea these are fun examples I'm trying to have fun with you Different but no it's not talking about If a country yeah keeps increasing its Debt yeah year after year after year
After year after year right should we Not be concerned we should be concerned About whether we're spending money in The right ways we should be concerned About whether but let's give them Another 1.9 trillion dollars we're Saying that that's the thing you know I I don't but you are saying that because You said the only difference when you Went to your uh example of military yeah And you wanted me to say yes and you Said look every I'm not a socialist Because I think this and he said the Only difference is I just want two or Three more programs and what I'm saying Is we can't afford it today okay maybe In 20 years but do you are and and I I Worry that I don't know if you think I'm Talking and back bad faith or if you Maybe don't understand my political Views but I think differences that are Actually much more subtle than you think They are are being blown up as if There's this crazy difference here about What's going on we're definitely using Different rhetoric in this conversation But I don't I don't know whether we're Actually understanding each other really That well because I'm with you if there Are programs that are wasteful how do we Define wasteful right that's that's the Difficulty but if there are programs That are wasteful if there are programs That are not economically stimulative if
There are programs that are uh being Used for fraudulent reasons or or Whatever the case I'm going to be right There with you saying we need to do Something about this the the things I'm Looking at when they are done in other Countries yeah the country doesn't Become socialist you can still own your Business they don't socialize your Business they don't they don't communize Your business none of those things Happen many of these countries have Really good business and environment but They're just saying hey we have enough Riches here that this capitalist system Has created which I'm in favor of where We can do a couple more things what I'm Saying to you is you don't want it no It's not what I'm saying to you that I Don't want it yeah If I if you can stop interrupting this Entire damn show that is freaking you Know it's not fun is it I'm used I'm Good with it it's part of a uh having Conversations with people who doesn't Offend me but uh if if I sit there and I Say yeah David we can't afford it right Now okay I would say what do you mean I Would tell you it's called 31 trillion Dollars okay is what it's called we're In debt a lot of debt okay and you may Not have to pay it back somebody has to Pay it back your seven-year-old's gonna Have to pay back but that money's not
Going to print a month seven month old Is gonna have to pay back someone's Gonna pay it back yeah okay that 31 Trillion dollars you're not just one They're gonna say guys let's just write This thing off you guys okay China hey Japan you cool let's just write this Thing off and just forget about it and Let's start again yeah how cool would That be we can't do that we have that Debt we can't afford it right now one of The things about a lot of these issues Is first of all they're way bigger than Any conversation where we just like list The programs and say we cut if you look Historically countries don't cut their Way to economic Prosperity countries Tend to grow their way to economic Prosperity you you with me so far yes Come countries grow their way out of Economic Prosperity no that's the Opposite of what I said come countries Grow their way into economic Prosperity They grow by building one too many times So let's keep getting into that that's What you're saying no that's not what I'm saying so what are you saying what I'm saying is over the long term if the Government spending is economically Stimulative it will help to grow the Economy it's fundamental demand side Economic so like as an example there are Certain government programs that are Highly are these cigars by the way I
Just noticed this over here you can take It um if countries uh spend money on Pro I I don't know you seem to be looking Something up I don't know if you're Paying I'm listening I'm listening to You go ahead if countries spend money on Economically stimulative programs yeah The high economic multiplier they can Create growth if countries spend money In ways that are not economically Stimulative then it increases the debt So for example just to pick two Different programs I don't have any Emotional attachment to these two Programs I'm just going to list two Programs food stamps and what is Happening in here by the way or are Those gummies yeah taking vitamins man This is healthy for you I know I don't Want to be the 400 pound guy food stamps Have a high economic multiplier okay tax Cuts for the very rich have a low Economic multiplier I'm not passing any Judgment in any way I'm just telling you There are ways that the government can Spend money that is good for the economy And ways that is not so good that's my Only point What were the two programs you said you Wanted to add on I think we should have Some kind of minimum Level Health Care System for everybody and it would it Would actually be cheaper than what we Have what we have includes people that
Go to the emergency room as primary care Which is insanely expensive sometimes They don't pay their bills and that Leads to everybody who does have health Insurance is just absorbing that cost it Would just be cheaper if we provided Everybody some basic level of care there Are states that have done it I think That's just a basic thing Um and secondly I would like to Socialize some aspect of paid Um uh family leave Parental and and maternal not hugely Expensive it's economically at least Stimulative in the sense that when other Countries have done it they find that Productivity ends up being higher when Parents return to work and you know it's Been been widely studied these are just Like two two things we're already paying For most of them either in terms of Productivity losses or through the Health care that we pay afford to absorb People who don't pay and use the Emergency room it can be done you know Revenue neutral what what percentage Like if going back to it with what we Have right now the way it is today yeah What percentage of your dollar are you Comfortable paying in taxes one percent Really less than Abe Lincoln imposed no Listen I'm not I'm not going this has Nothing to do what I'm telling you yeah No hold up a different story
Um well what percent are you willing to Pay today I am not a high tax guy with High tax High tax I mean listen Um I don't want to get too much into my My personal finances but like I don't Like I'm not auditing you bro I don't Like this simple questions I don't like That close to half of my income is going To taxes you don't like it I think it's Too high so what do you think is Reasonable oh man Does it include Health Care in college or not I I would love to be in the you know 31 Total just so you know we're on the same Page there yeah okay so for me the Difference is the following yeah uh uh One time I'm doing a podcast uh I don't Know who I'm doing a podcast with Anyways this was like a year and a half Ago sounds explosive and then no it Wasn't actually you know you know what I Like about podcasts like this yeah it Makes me go uh research a topic you know So one time we did a podcast about taxes And you know how taxes at one point Ninety percent you know it was a 90 Taxes and it was like for a long time Hollywood was this is what they're doing This is what it was like so you're Talking about a 90 marginal on the very Top incomes Under Ice correct and I make My point without you freaking intellect With degrees to interrupt freaking high School graduate that's ad hominem okay
All right so let me go back to this with These two Jews bullying me right now uh So so so we're talking about taxes yeah Okay so I said let me go find out what's Going on with taxes here in the history Of it okay so we send our research team And I said send me anything you had on Taxes you can assume this was like a Very exciting uh two weeks of my life Just studying taxes it was awesome great Experience I can only imagine what it's Like to want to be an accountant it's Got to be like a you know fascinating Experience High suicide accountants you Know so you know what happened to you Know the one data that came about on When taxes got started the history of Time you know the whole story yeah it is All this I'm not going through that part But I want to find out because a lot of People on the left say you can't compare Governments to companies to you know Families you can it just might not be Useful but meaning it's not the same Thing you can't do that financially all This other stuff yeah so you see the Lincoln thing that you know story pops Up where you know back in 1861 this guy Goes up and says hey us we kind of need Some money yeah this war was so Expensive for us we're gonna have to tax Everybody six percent yep but I promise You when we pay it off we'll stop taxes Do you know what happened well after
They paid it off the taxes didn't end no It ended no they didn't let me read this One So so watch this here okay on August 5th 1861 Lincoln imposed the first federal Income tax by signing the Revenue Act Strap for cash strapped for cash which The government is kind of like they Don't have cash they're in debt yeah so They're they need cash just like a Corporation or family we don't have cash So we need some debt with which to Pursue the Civil War Lincoln and Congress agreed to impose a three Percent tax on annual incomes over 800 Bucks As early as 1861 Lincoln had began to Take stock of the federal government's Ability to wage war against the South he Sent letters to cabinet members Edward Bates Gideon Wells and Salman Chase Requesting their opinions as to whether Or not the president had the Constitutional authority to collect Duties according to documents housed and Interpreted by Library Congress Lincoln Was particularly concerned about Maintaining Federal authority over Collecting revenue from ports along with Along the Southeastern Seaboard which he Worried might fall under the control of Confederacy the Revenue Act language Okay According to the U.S treasury Department
The compare comparable minimum tax Income in 20 2003 after adjustment for Inflation would have been around sixteen Thousand dollars Congress repealed Lincoln's tax law in 1871 which means There was no more taxes but it came back Up obviously in 1909. so This is an example of a story where we Need some money let's go to the people The people say listen here's some money But I hope this stops it's going to stop So the moment we allow the government to Use this power too much they've abused It okay and for me my only argument is If I have to choose between giving you a Million bucks that's going to sound Crazy okay I hope this doesn't get your Head too big and you get too confident Here please if I give you a million Bucks or if I give a million bucks to The government I'm willing to bet you're Probably going to create you know a Better climate with a million dollars And the government would and if I have The choice to give a million dollars or Billion dollars to creators job creators Small business owners on what they can Do as a source of investment versus Giving that money to the government Government if there was a FICA score if If there was a FICO score I don't know What your FICA scores but you know the Range 400 High extremely high 400 to 820 Give or take that's the number set if we
Had to give a FICO score to the U.S Government what do you think their FICO Score would be today yeah but he needs Polls give me the polling on that no Listen here I mean what you're saying is Super interesting I do you know the Point I'm making now And here's one of the things that that I Think We I'm guessing we would probably agree On which is when you think about Um the the way that we organize Society This isn't politics this is just like Sociology philosophy kind of like Reality once you get a group of people Bigger than about 150 150 people okay if You want that to be run in some way that Works what we might Define as works you Have to start introducing some level Some level of centralization that Doesn't mean with 150 people you need The tax system and everything that we Have right now but it's just kind of Like a reality of organizing societies That as societies grow from 150 people And think about it 330 million people Now in the U.S 8 billion people in the Country there the idea that you have Which is I'll just pick some people to Give a million bucks to instead of the Government it's that it just doesn't Work that's it that's it that's some Things have to be said we're having fun With you buddy when I'm telling you that
But the point I'm trying to make but the Idea is an interesting one no The point I'm trying to make to you is That's how the US government was ran Yeah The country you and I are living in yes It was ran that way guys we don't have Money we go to the people I promise you Once we pay this off we're going to stop Taxing you yeah and we accepted it you Know no taxation so this we accept we're Like totally fine with this we're game With this and then now it's peer abuse We don't have a choice now like we did Back then yeah it was ran like a company It was ran like a family having their Finances in order today America's FICO Score is in the 400s you know in the 400s what you should be able to finance Nothing I don't know 60 down 30 percent It's at 400 it should be a hundred Percent down but so what what would you Want so you were you you said you were With me on like low 30s for taxes I am Okay yeah so really it sounds like the Issue is more I would I would want to Flat tax and what I'm saying I would Want a flat tax meaning I'd like to go Somewhere between 10 or 15 to 33 and a Time to go to they're not flat is it I Get that but what I'm saying is if America like right now we need to pay Off debt guess what yep attacks me 33 Okay but let's gradually pay some of
This stuff off I would like for them to Say we're gonna go off a budget of 25 or 20 the 13 every we're going to pay off The debt okay but here's a problem yes You know why they'll never never happen Well there's a lot of reasons I mean I Don't know I'll give you my reason Congressman people will never win uh Agenda if we have no term limits these Guys are going to play whatever games Too you're for term limits are you Kidding oh me too absolutely you kidding Me yeah guys we just found some common Ground with David David term limits on The agenda my challenge isn't a you know My challenge is we're giving money to People that have proven to have no clue What to do with it and the debt keeps Climbing now when it comes to like Social safety net right can I tell you My view on this stuff and you tell me if You agree right I moved to the us as an Immigrant okay I had the benefit if my parents had to Pay for my initial schooling like if They had to pay out of pocket for Elementary school or whatever the case May be that you know my mom wasn't Working at the time my dad was just Starting a job where he didn't make a Lot of money they couldn't have afforded If that public school said we're gonna Charge you right so I immediately got The benefit of that
Follow along right I got the benefit of Police protection and then eventually All these different things contract so When I started my show intellectual Property so the way I see it is I've Been extraordinarily fortunate to be Able to build my business and get to Where I am thanks to a whole bunch of Things that everybody paid for through Taxes so my view now is I'm all but let Me finish up I'm also okay like I Recognize you know I've got these great Employees many of them had Public School Educations and they have certain Protections when it comes to Safety in The world you should be able to do all That with no more than 30 percent well I'm not I'm not even getting to three But so I feel it's almost like a Patriotic thing where if taxes are Properly set and being spent on the Right things I think now my success Which only exists because of previous Taxpayers through all those programs I Mentioned it should go to help other People who don't have that's the wrong Mindset in my opinion okay and let me Tell you why things are wrong mindset Because uh okay You ever had a job have I ever had a job Well yeah no you don't have a job right Now you're a business owner have you had A job oh yeah yeah yeah okay did do were You there for five years like did you
Work for a company for five years yeah I Mean this is kind of funny but I worked For the now defunct retailer Circuit City for five years really yeah selling Extended services they pay very well but I don't know when you work in the Commission very well in the commission I Got laid off when they went from Commission to hourly yeah the people who Were making too many commissions they Didn't want to pay a salary they laid us Off check this out okay so let me let me See if what year was it you work in a Circuit City it ended in 2003 so it Would have been like the era by the way Can you tell everybody how much a good Salesperson at Circuit City was making Well if you remember because I I I'm Willing to say this I worked part-time Because I was like starting College Check this out 30 hours a week and I was Making 75 000. that's insane yeah at Circuit City yeah okay they realized it Was insane and they're like we're not Paying these people but that's Though that's though because That's why they went out of business Right the model was working you guys Were doing your car came up dude Best Buy 37 bucks an hour you're about to Validate my points so check this out This is a perfect example here the Perfect example is here so for me You know how you go to a funeral and
Everybody's morning and maybe you don't Know the person but you're going because It's somebody or you don't have a role Like it's in law or somebody like that Sure but just depend on everybody's face You feel it right So for me when I hear a company going Out of business right breaks my heart Especially company that's been on for a Long time because to start a company It's a very hard very very hard to start A company to make it last five past five Years super hard right 10 20 30 years And then create hundreds if not Thousands of jobs it's not easy to do Somebody and a group of people had to Sacrifice a lot right okay so what You're saying is the following hear me Out okay so the people who started Circuit City yeah okay those who start At Circuit City those who paved the way Before you and they came and they Crushed it and now there's new Management and now because the people Before you paved the way you should Accept lower salary to give back to the People that paved the way before but It's not the people before that paved The way it's the people today that are Running Circuit City you're actually not Giving back to the people that paved the Way you're giving it to the idiots that Are running Circuit City today that's What's going on in America today meaning
You and I I love America I love I lived In around 10 years I lived in Germany Two years I was in the military and I Come from a family politically on Complete opposite sites but I love this Place it's an amazing country My responsibility On how I can contribute to society isn't Through paying taxes it's through Creating jobs it's through you know when I pay my taxes I pay a lot of taxes this Year a lot of taxes this year last year Was a lot of taxes I've been paying a Lot of taxes period so but for me when I Pay the taxes and I ask where did that Thing go to okay what happened with that What are they doing with that if they're Doing such a great job with it why does The debt keep going higher why are we You know keep uh not seeing any kind of Return things are still same thing both Of them are not asking to raise more Money oh it's only the left you know the Democrats that just want to go no that's Not it's it's both of these sides who Are part of the same camp another 1.9 Trillion another two trillion another 2.7 trillion I'm not for it okay so all I'm saying to you is the same way the Circuit City folks ruined the great job You had making 75 grand you're working 30 hours a week yep they came the new Management decided to change the Compensation compensation structure that
Was working that's the perfect example Of a Circuit City went out of business Same thing that a lot of politicians are Doing today yeah okay so if you enjoyed This club you want to see another one Click here to watch another clip and if You want to take advantage the latest Gold Signature Series products that just Came out we have a bunch of new merch That's out this is a color changing mug When you drink coffee that lion turns Into a real lion and then we have Hoodies with vitamin gold on it the gold Signature Series hat shirts I'm an Entrepreneur anyways we have a lot of Items they're selling out if you want to Take advantage the gold Signature Series Click here place your order Sports your Right taming gear and tag us with the Hashtag valuetainment
