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Opinion of the U.S has dramatically Improved since Biden replaced Trump I Think that matters I I'm not an Isolationist so I think it's important That other countries respect the office Of the presidency and under trump it was A joke you know literally laughed at at The U.N goes to India mispronounces 10 Indian names and the crowd is just Leaving it it was a humiliation Everywhere he went so I think that's a Great it's like a soft thing that I Think is really good so the the fact That we're no longer feared is a good Thing I don't know where you're getting That we are no longer fears so you think People fear Biden what I'm asking you is Where what data do you have that we are No longer well that's not it that's what Data is not uh any data to give I mean How do you know what it is well no but But during by during Biden is when Russia felt comfortable bullying Ukraine During Biden is Uh even if you look at Afghanistan on The way we left people on the left were Not happy by the way we left Afghanistan Even 82 billion can give you a lot of Different names like the CIA uh who's The CIA guy that we had here who was on Uh Philip must set it with a z what's his Name Um Matt Zeller Matt Zeller CI agent who
Was on MSNBC he called him out he was on MSNBC with uh but that's one person Right but there's a lot of them though If I actually said if I actually pull it Up and if I if I do the Google search on It I'll find plenty of names from their Own side let's do it that's fine but I Think one important thing to back up is You first kind of gave me what's not Really a very fair question you go are You not worried that the US is no longer Fear so you're saying they they don't Fear but hold on let me finish let me Finish my response okay you first Presented to me and these are a lot of Conversations go like this you present To me is it not a concern to me that the U.S is no longer feared and I said well Where are you getting that where's the Data you go out there is no data so Where let's first start with no what I Said is this that's not the fee I didn't Say there's no data you can't you can't Pull data meaning you can't find data on Fear and how do you know that that fear Is action fear is action did during uh Did during Trump Russia attack Ukraine No what happened with Palestine and Israel What happened yeah what happened they Came together after 20 some years what What are you talking about when you say What are you talking about Has there been any progress on peace
Very limited did moving the cat did move It wasn't the capital Did moving the Embassy Embassy let me ask the question Did moving the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem get us closer to peace or did It get us further further away do either Of you guys know I don't know if you've Studied this issue there's arguments on Both then but it has not led to peace And prosperity in Palestine correct did Trump promise this this very critical Clear question did Trump promise that Jared Kushner would solve the Israeli-palestinian conflict during the First term yes nobody promise it I don't know if he promised it or Promises made Promises Kept he was Assigned to that Duty and did it happen Did what happened did Jared negotiate no But I don't think anybody believed that Peace was happening so it's okay for him To make promises but make the make the Argument go back to the argument about The fact that America on all polls today Is would you say liked what was the word You used so I I think the really Important thing when we talk about this Is we talk about what we can measure so The Gallup Polling that has been done so you trust Polls oh come on but that's where we're Going though there are there are lots Because I trust certain polls too but I'm saying so you trust polls if you say
Do I trust a Rasmussen Republican Primary poll 18 months before an Election I would say that's a that's not Very valuable I don't think that's Valuable the Gallup public opinion Sentiment poll that has been done over Many many presidents in the same way I Think that that's a pretty good poll Just to give a sense of how the world Feels about the American president I Have no reason to distrust that there Are other polls where I would have a Specific reason to distrust but we're Kind of going like 10 10 tangents here I Think if we want to talk about Am I upset that the U.S isn't feared Since you brought that question forward The appropriate thing would be for you To give me the data but no go go back to What you said you said U.S is what you Said you like the fact that U.S has Liked more today under Biden no I didn't Use that term what was the term you used If you don't mind it again on average Yeah countries respect the U.S more now That Biden is President you value that I Think it's important because I and I can I tell you why sure I think it's Important because between trade and Globalization and problems we deal with That don't respect the borders of Countries it's important to be again It's not about liked it's not about it's To be respected globally I do think that
That actually so so why do you think They didn't like or respect Trump let's See what you're going to say with that But why do you think tell me the guy's a Joke he is yeah okay tell us why and Bike man Biden's not a joke we can talk About Bible because Biden's like the But I think it's important to say are we Talking about Trump or are we talking About Biden no no talk about identify Talk about them one at a time stay on Trump okay stay on Trump when he say He's a joke tell us why you think he's a Joke Um Promises made that were not kept that he Told us he was going to achieve for us Let's look at some of them I'm going to Get rid of Obamacare and replace it with His word a beautiful replacement where Everyone will have care and it's going To be affordable okay Just flat out didn't happen the one Proposal that Republicans made would Have led to 24 to 32 million people Losing health care I consider that a Failure I don't think Obamacare is Perfect but it's better than the think Trump think Trump said he was going to Bring us that was that was just a Failure two build a wall across the Entire U.S Mexico border which Mexico is Going to pay for It's not even worth having a conver I
Mean just a joke of course of course Completely didn't happen solve the Israeli-palestinian conflict no progress Made in fact to be honest and this is You know if we want to delve into that Moving the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem got us further from that Because it's seen as a sort of um a Taunting measure if you understand the Internal politics of what's what's going On there Um was going to you know the made some Space travel promises I mean we could I Can't think of promises he made that he Did keep other than Um I guess the the he was going to do Tax reform and he did tax reform so as a Policy matter a complete and total Failure I do think maybe the first step Act on Criminal Justice Reform did some Good things I'm I'm sort of glad to give Him credit on that Um but so you know on policy failure and Then you know on rhetoric we could spend Three hours just looking at quotes you Know so I'm curious to see exactly how You think now yeah if if covet doesn't Happen does he get reelected yes why Well because his followers don't care About policy I interview them all the Time and I say followers don't care About power they don't care about Achievements they care about Hillary bad Hillary Marxist Hillary socialist you
Think Hillary's good Did I say that no I'm asking you oh no Uh I don't think Hillary was a good Candidate and she's she's to my right Um no I don't think Hillary's good but I Thought she was better than Trump she's To your right she's to my right yeah Hillary is a very moderate conservative Democrat yeah your world yeah yeah good I mean give me a left-wing Hillary Policy like a really left-wing Hillary Policy You're saying you would much rather have A Hillary than a trump I would rather Okay so go back much rather I don't know So so go back to he gets reelected why Because his uh uh voters could care less About policies that's what you're saying Fine no problem so but we both know that It's not the right that's elected him And it's not the left that'll like Whoever on the left it's whoever's in The middle that's the a to 12 percent That kind of says you know what I'm Gonna go this side you know this time Around or versus more people come out For you know their candidate meaning a Lot of people would come out for Obama Okay so explain yourself the the what What it actually more depends on is who Chooses to go out and vote it's less About you know there's there's often This idea in politics and there's lots Of people who are really good on this
Issue that you could talk to Rachel Bidikoffer and even Frank Luntz even Though he's partisan I think he would Concede this as well he's upholstered Yes the idea of the Swing independent Voter that sometimes on unpreced Residential elections will vote for a Republican and sometimes a Democrat very Very small percentage of people more Common is that a candidate either Activates people to vote or those same People just stay home in the U.S we have An embarrassingly low voter voter Turnout it's between usually usually 52 And 60 percent I think so almost half The electorate isn't even voting it's Less about people who vote one way and Then another way it's more about people Who say I'm just going to stay home Versus I'm going to go out and vote if They vote it's clear so you're saying That the middle voter doesn't matter at All no I didn't say that so what are you Saying I said they matter much less than Who who is partisan chooses to vote but It's fair to say that okay if if he Continues so if he continues And there's no covid he would get Reelected do you think the let's Specifically Target the middle forget The people on the side that would show Up well why that's that's the question I Want to do with you right now so if we If we specifically
Focus on the middle what the middle the Independent the Libertarians would they Have chosen to stick with Trump or would Most have wanted to replace him with Somebody else it's a polling question I Don't know the data well you're the poor Guy so I'm asking you I don't have the Data okay I'd be curious to know so You're but you're also correcting me to Say that's not true that's the middle And the Independence that that didn't Elect them you're saying it's who showed Up that elected him as a general concept Right elections swing less based on Independence who sometimes vote Republican and Democrat that's a small Factor a bigger factor is are voters Activated by their candidate or are they Deactivated where they go I don't like This person but I'm definitely not Voting for that one I'll stay home so Isn't it a bit of both though it's a bit Of both because We've seen countless stories about I Voted for Obama I'm not racist I voted For Obama what are you talking about I Voted for Bush then I voted for Obama And then Trump showed up he made some Promises he he was in the midwest he was It was he was he was out there he was Reaching out touch your hands Hillary Was too busy in New Mexico and Arizona I Decided to vote for Trump and I was sort Of done with Trump now I'm back on Biden
Yeah we see so many stories like that That's what he's Independence that's an Anecdote and so I think anecdotes are Fine but one of the things that um is Important is to zoom out from anecdotes And to look at the broader data and the Other thing that's important is a lot of That cross-voting it cancels each other Out because you see roughly the same Amount from one side versus the other And what what I mean by that is there Was if you look at the crossover in 2016 The number of Democrats who decided to Vote Trump in 2016 was very similar to The number of Democrats who decided to Vote McCain in 2008 so it it's it's a Roughly predictable number and you're Talking about Democrats who have Switched over just there's legitimate Independence I'm giving you just one Example of this people who go either way Or whatever it's it's relatively stable And predictable so it's rarely A Difference Maker that that's my only Point and we can anecdotes all day you Know Jim Bob's wife decided to vote Hillary or what yeah it's that's totally Fine but let's do data because you're a Data guys so if you're a data guy tell Us when you're saying it's not Necessarily that the middle one would Have had Trump yeah would he have needed The middle to get reelected in 2024 in 2020
He would have needed roughly the same Percentage that Republicans tend to need Trump suffered because they're they're On on the covet thing would he have Gotten reelected it's not only if covet Didn't happen Trump probably would have Gotten reelected I think if when kovitz Started instead of trump saying we have 15 cases soon going to be zero do flu Vaccines work on covid what about bleach Injections all that stuff if instead of That Trump said hey you know what we're The United States we're going to deal With this better than anybody else we're Making Maga masks and by the way 50 Cents on every dollar will go you know His his normal fundraising scams right Do the scams but do the Maga masks and If he said we're going to be absolutely The best on this thing he wins we saw it In New Zealand we saw it in other places It was a missed opportunity now I think It was just a miscalculation in the Sense that somewhere Trump probably Thought it was really going to go away I Don't know who was around him I don't Know who's by Easter of 2020 right I Mean if So I think Trump even if he had just Done that and because why would he have Why why would the Why would the Independents the ones in The middle who are Uh let's just say slightly more
Reasonable and they're willing to say You know I don't like this guy on the Left I'm gonna vote right I don't like The Scandal right I'm gonna vote left Yeah why would they have stole children Trump over Biden we're now I have no Idea you'd have to talk to them I just Don't know but you're given you're given Your arguments and so your arguments You're given as you're talking about Uh uh polls like Biden because America Is more respected under Biden than Trump Okay so that has nothing to do with American voters we're talking about People in other countries I totally get It but but when you're when you say Something like that the voter says oh Wow America the world respects Biden More than they respect Trump sure okay Somebody may say well maybe because you Know anybody who was an enemy of America Hated Trump because Trump would you know Deal more directly with them than Biden Would Biden you can't necessarily see Him you know he doesn't look like a Leader he's not an Obama s he's not a Clinton guy Biden doesn't come across as A strong leader but you're saying he's More respected than Trump great no Problem okay so then I go and I ask you A question and I say If Kobe doesn't happen does he get Reelected yes why you you say because More people show up this whole you know
This whole narrative about the fact that You need the middle voter to Tipton That's not true it's how many people Show up and it's his people because his People don't care if he gets anything Done that's what you said that was your Narrative right that's what you said Those were your words some of those Words mirror the things that I said yes Okay so so it activates which means uh So Trump's voters so give me when you Say apps I speak to a lot of these Trump Voters there's obviously a lot of Animosity in you you have a lot of Resentment animosity towards them I Don't know why but you seem angry Towards Trump I mean your comments like You know towards Trump is Boom you know Voters of this voters of that well to You what problem maybe I have to I have To interrupt that but I get that so what Is the what is and you can answer all Those questions and I'll give you your Time I'm not remembering all of them but I'll try to write what is the DNA of a Typical Mega voter in your eyes there There's not any typical DNA I think There's basically three primary Categories of people that that vote for Republicans and Trump introduced a Fourth fair to introduce these four Categories break it down for us for us That you know you we don't have your Intelligence well it's not about
Intelligence and I don't know if you're Being sarcastic it's not about Intelligence have you researched this is Your world okay so this is your world so So you know tell us what you think about The three and the fourth I with your Intelligence yeah imagine what you could Do if you looked up the things I look up That's really the incredible okay no so In all seriousness four basic groups Pre-trump you had three groups you had Sort of pro-business low tax uh right Wingers people like Mitt Romney Basically they are I mean Romney maybe Isn't a little bit of an exception Because as a Mormon he has some socially Conservative views but you've got like Your Romney type who's concerned with Let's not over regulate businesses let's Not have taxes that are too high let's Create a good business environment as Governor of Massachusetts that was sort Of uh his his idea and that's a very Blue State and he did well so you've got Like your Romney type traditional low Tax limited government yeah not Republic Uh not extreme millionaire not extreme Rights and social issues type people no Particularly homophobic for example or You know okay then you've got your more Libertarian-minded people I found it Interesting when you said you're Independent and Libertarians in the U.S Libertarians are mostly right-wing and
They mostly vote for Republicans so then You've got your very libertarian-minded People uh who whose focus is that we Want just as much as much freedom to do As much stuff as possible it often Includes freedom to discriminate if I Don't want to do you know like a gay Wedding cake that that you've got that Group you then have Evangelical and Religious voters whose primary things Are less economic what was your second One second one is libertarian Libertarian okay third you've got your Evangelical Mike Pence vote if you will More than Mike Pence vote people for Whom abortion and gay marriage and more Recently you know trans stuff that's Really the most important they'll go With the economic stuff even though it's Actually often not good for them and you Started to see this under Reagan a lot Where these religious voters they went With Reagan even though economically it Wasn't the best thing for them those are Typically the three groups you hear you Hear the common term they're voting Against their interests because they Have social uh ideologies they gravitate Towards so you've got those three groups Trump had all all of that the early Ted Cruz support in 2016 is that third group That Evangelical that eventually went to Trump trump coalesced these groups Because they really weren't going to
Vote for Hillary the fourth group which Trump kind of created is people who were Not at all engaged with politics before They didn't pay attention they knew Trump is a celebrity they didn't really Have a political identity they were Disaffected they weren't really Participating before so four is his Personalities what you're saying or yeah They got brought in specifically he Introduced that that's been around for a While though he introduced what you're Saying he Trump introduced the fourth You said typically it's three oh yeah But Trump introduced the fourth or Trump Has the fourth Trump is Activated this fourth group which was People who were not in any of those Three categories I mentioned and got Engaged in politics for the first time Because they heard Trump say something That they liked give some examples of Those type of are you talking about West Virginia coal miners or people in the Deep Red South it's there they were from All over but it was people who like that Trump was going to fix trade with China A lot of them didn't really know what That meant but it sounded pretty good Maybe the person had lost a job they Came to believe it's it's because of China that I lost my job that sounds Good or people who are on immigration They're like the wall of course you and
I know you're never building a wall Never mind Mexico is going to pay for it But there were people who like the idea Never were in politics like no it sounds Good I'm voting for Trump so he brought In this fourth group Okay so so the fourth group to be exact It's his personality that people were Turned on by the way he was could be Personality but it could be that there Was one thing he said so so let me ask The question is there something wrong With that I'm curious are you going to a Place where this there's something wrong With that or no it's not about right or Wrong it's a question of whether any of Us think that the Policy motivations for any of those Groups aligned with ours somebody may Say there's a lot of people that showed Up for Obama just because he was black Sure they can say that I don't know I Mean I don't know You don't think it's true of course in a Country of 330 million people there are Going to be some but you said you don't Know if it's true it's like what do you Mean you don't know if it's true I don't Have any you don't have any data you Want to get data to say people showed up That they just because they're black There's exit polling on most of these Issues we might be able to find it right Now you know no it's it's uh you know
It's fair to say people voted for him I Mean I cannot even tell you how many People Uh uh I know Republicans who were voting For uh Obama in the insurance industry Just because like listen man the first Time this guy talks like MLK you know he Sounds reasonable I'm gonna vote for the Guy there's a lot of people that came Out with him so somebody may say well You know the reason why Obama got Elected because he's got the three Difficult things when he talks to the Democrata but the fourth thing is he was Black okay and are you gonna say what I Would say yeah I'm sure that there's a Portion of people who vote so so so You're saying the DNA of a trump Mega Voter Who looks past policies so you're saying On the three policies he didn't check Off the three policies here the three Points you're saying that I I'm saying he didn't build the wall or I mean let me take a step back with you So I'm asking a question and I said so Tell me if you're saying he's going to Get reelected without covert you're Saying he would have gotten reelected I Think he would have perfect and then you Said your words you said something in The context of you know because I think The mega voter is not about policies That's what you said a lot of that
Fourth group yes is not about Overarching accomplishments or like I'll Give you an example of what I'm talking About and maybe it'll help to distill it I got a call at some point during the First term of trump from a guy who said I'm I'm voting for this guy this guy is Just the best and I said oh okay what do You care about what how are you Evaluating his performance to decide if You're going to vote for him in 2020. Like how do you do I'm curious how do You decide he said well I care about the Wall so he's he's got to Build That Wall I said perfect if he doesn't build the Wall are you still going to vote for him And he says well yeah I'm not going to Vote for a Democrat so I said oh so it Doesn't actually matter if he builds the Wall same with you as well though There's no way you're voting for a Republican either would you vote for a Republican sure yeah I mean if if you Ever voted for a Republican president No I mean elections yeah but hold on a Second but you're 40 years old you're You're 1984 so I'm 38. please 84 38 Years old There's two questions would I and have I I've only voted in a few presidential Election you've had plenty of chances Well but who would I voted for I was Going to vote for George W bush in 2004. No but it doesn't matter the point is
When you're calling that guy out you're The same as that guy no I'm not okay so Tell me a republican you'd vote for You're I don't I think you're missing The picture I think what is it the point Is he made a claim that he was going to Make a vote depending on policy and when I then said so if the policy fails You'll vote for someone else and he said No actually the policy doesn't matter That's the difference I'm not making That claim yeah okay it's a completely Different thing I mean the same can be Said to to uh to take one example of a Story of a person who sounds like an Idiot to say that and then categorize Everybody and prompt this selective Hearing to say that's not what I'm doing That's that's selective for you well you Are kind of doing that you're saying Here's a republican voter who you ask Why are you thinking about voting for Trump oh because he's building the wall Then he said if he doesn't build a wall Well I would never vote for a Democrat Well do you care if the world ever gets Filled no I don't come and vote for him Anyways well that's that's it that's That doesn't sound like a reasonable Voter to me though that's right he's not A reasonable well they're reasonable Voters to me was also if if you were to Ask the average person who voted for Biden sure they didn't vote for Biden
Okay they voted against Trump okay do You disagree I'd have to look at exit Polls okay so so is that is that where You go to for something like or a guy Who if this is your space yeah what's Your podcast about What is it about what's your show about News and politics you should know this Stuff you're the expert I brought you Don't remember that offhand how do you Find it but this is your world like if You ask me questions on business I'm Going to say let me give you my feedback On what I think about business yeah you Invite my new podcast hey Pat I want to Talk about about business let's do that I have no problem with it to do no do That part but what I'm saying to you is If you're coming here saying what you're Saying sure and then I ask you a simple Question of so the same thing can be Said about people that voted for Biden Yeah I'm stupid I'm gonna vote for Anybody dude nobody would show up when Biden would speak did you not see his Tour when he was going campaigning Patrick you're not really doing this are You Tom you're doing this I'm actually Curious where you're going to go now What's Martin wasn't even doing events Where I mean this is the Biden one from The basement there yeah I have a counter To this entire and I want to just be Really clear I don't really care about
Defending Biden in any particular sense I just think he was the better option Than Trump I I feel like I'm being Framed as this Biden lover who's going To defend everything I'm not doing that You may be thinking I'm not doing that To you what I'm asking what I want to Say about this can you pull up Biden's Rallies when he was running for President go ahead let's see the Pictures but go ahead Biden didn't do a Campaign the way Trump did it and the Funniest thing to me neither has anybody Done a like the way Biden's done it he Hit But hold the guys we're this was during Covet though yes let's back up for a Second look how beautiful that is well That's these are because Patrick This is really the you're telling me you Seem silly so here's it here's what I'm Willing to do here's what I'm willing to Do please I'm willing to give him yeah a Million dollars of my own money right Now to go try to fill up an arena for What what's the point oh no to show that Nobody is inspired by this guy this is Silly no no what's silly is what's silly Is for you to assume people voted for Biden they voted against Trump is what They did and he did yeah sure yeah but What you just said I said percentages But it's your world dude this is like if
You're gonna if you're gonna sit here And sell you know talk about how uh how Bad the the Trump voter is and you let Me tell you you know it's these people All they care about is is personality Outside of the taxes and all this other Stuff and then I ask you a question I Say so why do people vote for Biden many Of them vote on because they just didn't Want Trump yeah I don't know the numbers On that you should okay you should know Those numbers what I just don't know That offhand I mean it's we can look it Up it's why why do I need to memorize Can I make a quick Point can I just get There's just one thing I want to say Here yeah go ahead this entire Biden hid Stuff it's so it's such a self hit or Hit hid okay in his basement yeah Because when you talk about the he said Though he hit a lot of times but Okay If I were on the right I would stop Saying that because it's embarrassing to Trump that he lost to a guy who hid in His basement that's not that's the That's the crazy you're president your Guy Joe Biden is the greatest hide and Go seek champion of all time Is he not he's not your president he's My president he's our president but he's Your guy he's the guy you're defending You're defending him right now to say Only that he's better than Trump because
You're making me do this the only reason That there's no way in a even the Liberals today are not saying he's Better than uh uh Trump in executing or Taking action or doing anything let's Find out the only the only credit well At this point you lost credibility to Talk about posts because you don't even Know what you're talking about when You're saying well I don't know I don't Know if the people were voting against Trump let's find the poll so if you if You can't agree to that I don't know how Many of course they were it's not just How many any it's if you go on look at Any of these uh uh people who were doing Uh uh what do you call a street to when They're going talking to people like Interviews yeah it's like hey so tell me Who would you vote here Trump's the Worst I would never vote for him people Didn't want to vote for this guy because Because 99 of the media everybody was Sitting there bashing them not non-stop That just by the way same thing's gonna Happen with the Santos yeah same thing Happened with bush the only Republicans Democrats like is ex-presidents who are Now painters that's the only Republicans Democrats like because they're no longer A threat Trump's a big threat so for for For you to say well we now have respect Around the world yeah I don't even know If I want that I think if there's an
Element of competition because I I think If China has to choose between Trump or Biden And China would rather have Biden that's Probably not a good sign for me okay is It a good sign if Russia wants Trump I Mean this is kind of a silly game right No but but Russia is not our number one Enemy Russia doesn't control 80 of chips Russia is not as powerful as people Think they are they have a lot of nukes They lead the world totally get it but We're seeing right now what's happening To Russia Russia is more they're Powerful you got to put them up there They're strong But China is really really strong in Experience China hates America China Doesn't uh they've publicly announced What they're going to be doing you know There's a very big difference between China and Russia and by the way I'm not Sitting here telling you we got to be Best friends with Russia but if China Likes a president over another one that Is a red flag for me yeah it's not rare As a view on the American right that is Generally who cares what other countries Think I would almost rather they hate us That's really common I didn't say that No no I'm not that's what you're saying I want to see a poll on that do you have A poll on that not offhand then why do You have a poll give me a poll
Patrick but no go give me a poll because You're that's an anecdote now we can use This but no you're you're up in your Conversation but you're not doing that But that's what you're doing it Longer you're the political expert on That come on you're the political expert Would you just no you're being silly so I'm giving you exactly what you've been Doing for the first 30 minutes now it Officially bothers you no no it doesn't Bother me but I think it's silly I think We don't get anywhere but wait a minute But what you're saying is that if the Argument you give us said show me a poll Yeah show it to me you can't do it There's a difference between between Saying that there's a specific opinion Among voters that they were motivated by A particular reason you have polling on That we just have to find it you're like You're like you like to use that but not When it works against you yeah I didn't Say hate I'm not a hate guy if I was a Hate guy you wouldn't be here today I Didn't say that no you no you said most Republicans would prefer if uh uh other Countries hated us you're putting you're Assuming I didn't say most run it back Wait you didn't say what I didn't say Most you said there is a contingent on The right right that actually is Emboldened by if they how small of a Community is that don't know
So you're going to take the exception Are you going to make that argument oh My God yeah Patrick I'm I'm I'm I'm for clumped yeah um you And I both you and Linda Richmond I um I we've it just we're going tangent Tangent tangent where we can't really Drill down on any one issue I'm saying To you hate is not if I had hate I would Have not had you on I didn't I describe That word to you you you said I said Fear I said fear earlier in the show no no What I mean is I if if China Prefers any president yeah for example If McConnell is going to be president And China wants McConnell over Let's pick a uh I don't know over Tulsi Okay I'm not I'm not McConnell okay if China wants uh uh uh pick a uh what it What is her name Liz Cheney if China was Liz Cheney over Mm-hmm I would be hesitant there okay Because who is the number one enemy Who is the number one enemy actually Curious what you're going to think about That I don't know this is a part that I'm not asking polls I don't know about The term enemy I mean I think in terms Of adversary I think it's I think it's Russia and China differently in Different ways as you talked about we Depend way more on China for goods that We enjoy being cheap because they're
Made in China rather than here I agree That confers huge economic power to China Russia in a different way yes it's The nukes yes it's the more unstable Leader it's also alliances with Countries where Russia's involvement can Goad or pull the United States in in Ways that are Both resource intensive and politically Disadvantageous so I think they are Those are the two countries I mean there's there's the Afghanistan Situation Um you could argue Russia I mean with With Venezuela there's there's issues There that are more economic relating to Oil which we've talked about Um it's less about products and it's Less about supply chain with Russia Although with energy Russia is a factor Um but I think those are our two biggest Adversaries I don't know if the right Term is enemy I'm open to exploring Whether that's the right term certainly Adversary is the right term I I think I'm on the same page with you on whether It's adversary or enemy you know uh keep In mind I've never taken anything past ESL in my English so my the word enemy And adversary may have the same meaning To me maybe a different meaning for you Fair its opposition is how I see it uh But I agree but but the part for me is If a country yeah is overly comfortable
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